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Later Carthaginian

The Carthaginian Army

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Historical Overview Section


The Second Punic War (218 BC – 201 BC) is most remembered for the Carthaginian Hannibal's crossing of the Alps. He and his army invaded Italy from the north and resoundingly defeated the Roman army in several battles, but never achieved the ultimate goal of causing a political break between Rome and its allies. The Third Punic War (149 BC - 146 BC) involved an extended siege of Carthage, ending in the city's thorough destruction

Using the army under FoG

  • It looks so good - the army of Hannibal, lots of toys, all sorts of different troop types capable of fulfilling lots of tactical roles. But in FoG, as in many other rulesets the biggst challenge with Carthaginian is making sure the army is as good - or ideally better - than the sum of its parts.
  • Because those parts are all actually quite average. A core of average drilled spearmen - but not enough to fill the table. Some good cavalry, but not in overwhelming numbers. Useful rough terrain troops - but they aren't cheap. And some options require Hannibal to be fielded as an IC, which involves spending a lot of points on a general who then should not be risked in combat, in a period where ICs abiilty to help his army walk through a barrage of shooting is not that useful, and in an army where the unit sizes are on average quite big - so using him to command a "swarm" of small units to turn the enemies flanks is also out of the question.
  • With all these options to distract you, the secret to using a Carthaginian army is to make sure its not a jack of all trades and master of none - pick just 1 or 2 core things you want the army to be good at out of the half dozen it is capable of, use the flexibility of the list to do those 1 or 2 things very, very well indeed, and keep your opponent guessing as to which areas you have chosen to major in - and accept that sometimes you will be outmatched.
  • Unless of course you actually are as good a general as Hannibal cool
  • A good starting point are the 18 African Veterans. These can for a legitimate core of any army and very good troops which can take on virtually anything in the game - drilled is a very nice bonus but not cheap. They can also successfully fight as 6's.
  • The Gauls basically don't add much that Spears can't already do.
  • A solid if unspectacular mix of skirmishers seems mandatory as its one of the areas you can expect to outmatch many likely in-period opponents. Javelins vs. Slingers is a judgement call, if you have the AP go ahead and get slingers but this is not an army with much missile power so having a little bit more doesn't matter much. You are going to win on your impact/melee capabilities.
  • Of the useful but limited cavalry selection, the 8 armoured ltspear/sw are pretty good. Protect ltspear/sw can be best used as rear support (for cavalry - or spearmen if in column) or as an extra unit to help out on the flanks.
  • Take the Numidians in 4's not 6's - your only advantage against most LH will be at impact where your extra bases will not count. Beaing more maneuverable outweighs the benefits of more staying power.
  • The best of the rest are the drilled Spanish Scutarii - as average drilled they are handy.
  • The elephants are a tough call. They give you more punch but are brittle, expensive and end up as the only unmaneuverable unit in the army which isn't geat either. But at the end of the day they are almost the only thing which will be better than most opponents - especially if led by generals and supported by small cheap units of foot.

Allies

  • Greek, Siciliot - Classical Greek : Date restrictions Before 235 BC Book: Immortal Fire Page: 4 - This army already has too many protected spearmen speedbumps - why add more? Protected hoplites are not the best troop type in the world however, so maybe a plan that involves having lots of them isn't that good.
  • Syracusan : Date restrictions None Book: Immortal Fire Page: 38 - A unit of spearmen, plus 3x4 cheap LF bulks out the army. The small units of MF and other impact foot are probably a mistake.
  • Bruttian - Bruttian or Lucanian : Date restrictions 216 BC to 203 BC Book: Rise of Rome Page: 27 - Lt Spear/Sw armed MF? I suppose they are less impetuous than the Gauls & Spaniards, but you aren't short of MF in the main list are you?
  • Campanian - Late Campanian : Date restrictions 216 BC to 203 BC Book: Rise of Rome Page: 27 - A "protected" Roman army - but why do you want that? Cute pseudo-Romans, but being Protected really means they won't cut it against the real boys in red.
  • Lucanian - Bruttians or Lucanians : Date restrictions 216 BC to 203 BC Book: Rise of Rome Page: 27 - Lt Spear/Sw armed MF? I suppose they are less impetuous than the Gauls & Spaniards, but you arent short of MF in the main list are you?
  • Spanish, Ancient : Date restrictions None Book: Rise of Rome Page: 30 - Surely you have enough in the main list?
  • Numidian - Numidian or Early Moorish : Date restrictions None Book: Rise of Rome Page: 38 - The LH aren't that good, but the LF being allowed to be in BGs of 4 makes this ally quite compelling as at 16 points per unit they can boost your unit count and replace your own LF in the battle line.

Army Performance in UK Tournaments

4 / 10 Later Carthaginian BHGS Challenge 2008 25mm (open)
6 / 16 Later Carthaginian Godendag 2008 Doubles (RoR)
8 / 10 Later Carthaginian Britcon 2008 25mm (open)
10 / 10 Later Carthaginian Luncarty Doubles 2008 (RoR)
10 / 17 Later Carthaginian Warfare 2008 25mm (RoR, LT, IF)
13 / 17 Later Carthaginian Warfare 2008 25mm (RoR, LT, IF)
15 / 16 Later Carthaginian Godendag 2008 Doubles (RoR)
31 / 41 Later Carthaginian BHGS Challenge 2008 (open)
38 / 41 Later Carthaginian BHGS Challenge 2008 (open)
46 / 62 Later Carthaginian Britcon 2008 15mm (open)
59 / 62 Later Carthaginian Britcon 2008 15mm (open)
5=/ 12 Later Carthaginian Attack 2008 doubles (RoR, IF)
5=/ 12 Later Carthaginian Attack 2008 doubles (RoR, IF)


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Army Lists

Sample army lists for this army

  • 6 LF sling
  • 6 LF jav
  • 2x4 Gallic Cacvalry
  • 2 Elephants
  • 3x6 superior African Spearmen
  • 6 drilled Spanish MF Impact Foot
  • 2 x 4 Average Armoured Campanian imitation legions
  • 2 Numidians

Hannibal and 2 TCs
I think this list has an error that the checker missed, as it has 2 Superior armoured Gallic Cv and you can only have 1 apparently. I'd probably make the MF undrilled and change one unit of Gauls to a unit of Drilled Armoured Poeni Cavalry

800 AP Hannibal

  • 1x6 Average LF Javelins
  • 1x4 Super LF Slings
  • 1x4 Average LH Javelins
  • 1x6 Average LF Javelins
  • 1x4 Drilled Superior Armoured Lt Spear, Sw Cav
  • 1x8 Drilled Superior Armoured Off Spear
  • 1x8 Drilled Superior Armoured Off Spear
  • 1x4 Average LH Javelins
  • 1x4 Super Protected Lt Spear Sw Cav
  • 1x8 Average Drilled MF Impact Foot
  • 1x6 Average Drilled MF lt Spear, Sw
  • 1x4 Superior Protected Lt Spear Sw Cav
  • 1x4 Superior Protected Lt Spear Sw Cav


The army sis there to support the superior armoured offensive spear, they are what wins. They are tough enough to use as 3x6 Offensive spear instead of 2x8

Hannibal Carthaginian

  • 1 4 Moorish Bowmen LF Unprotected Average Undrilled Bow - -
  • 2 4 Numidians or spanish LH Unprotected Average Undrilled Javelins Light spear -
  • 3 4 Numidians or spanish LH Unprotected Average Undrilled Javelins Light spear -
  • 4 8 Spanish Caetrati LF Unprotected Average Undrilled Javelins Light spear -
  • 5 6 Spanish Scutarii MF Protected Average Undrilled - Impact Foot Swordmen
  • 6 8 Gallic Foot MF Protected Average Undrilled Impact Foot Swordmen
  • 7 6 Bruttian Foot MF Armoured Superior Drilled Light spear Swordmen
  • 8 8 Celtiberian Scutarii HF Protected Average Undrilled - Impact foot Swordmen
  • 9 8 Veteran African Spearmen HF Armoured Superior Drilled - Offensive spearmen
  • 10 8 Non-veteran African Spearmen HF Protected Average Drilled - Offensive spearmen
  • 11 2 Elephants EL - Average Undrilled - - -
  • 12 2 Elephants EL - Average Undrilled - - -
  • 13 4 Gallic Cavalry Cv Protected Superior Undrilled - Light spear Swordmen
  • . Hannibal IC - - - - - -
  • . TC TC - - - - - -
  • . TC TC - - - - - -


1000 AP army with Hannibal again

  • 8 average light foot undrilled unprotected javelin light spear (4) 4 6 24 Numidians or Moors
  • 6 average light foot undrilled unprotected javelin light spear (4) 4 6 24 Numidians or Moors
  • 6 superior undrilled unprotected light foot slingers (5) 5 6 30 Balerics
  • 4 average light horse undrilled unprotected light spear javelin (7) 7 4 28 Numidians
  • 4 average light horse undrilled unprotected light spear javelin (7) 7 4 28 Numidians
  • 4 Armoured drilled superior swordsmen cavalry with Light Spear (17) 17 4 68 LibyPhonecians
  • 8 average heavy foot drilled protected offensive spear (8) 8 8 64 Africans
  • 8 average heavy foot drilled protected offensive spear (8) 8 8 64 Campanians
  • 8 Heavy undrilled impact foot swordsmen protected average (7) 7 8 56 Celtiberians
  • 8 average heavy foot drilled protected offensive spear (8) 8 8 64 Africans
  • 2 average elephants (25) 25 2 50 Large Grey Animals
  • 8 medium undrilled impact foot swordsmen protected average (7) 7 8 56 Gallic Foot
  • 4 average light horse undrilled unprotected light spear javelin (7) 7 4 28 Numidians
  • 4 Armoured undrilled superior swordsmen cavalry with Light Spear (16) 16 4 64 Gallic Or Spanish
  • 4 Protected undrilled superior swordsmen cavalry with Light Spear (12) 12 4 48 Gallic or Spanish
  • 8 medium drilled impact foot swordsmen protected average (7) 8 8 64 Spanish Scutarii
  • 2 average elephants (25) 25 2 50 Large Grey Animals

Used at Usk 2008

  • Using asterisks inthe edit mode creates a bulleted list in the actual site
  • 4 HF Armoured Average Drilled Impact Foot Swordsmen
  • This format is a lot easier to do than setting up tables
  • You can even paste in excel tables into the editor and it seems to work
  • The editor strips out blank spaces - have a look at this above army in edit mode to see what I mean
  • For FoG I suggest listing your army in order or march
  • with troop desctiptions on each line, for example
  • 8 LG Undrilled Unarmoured Poor Bowen
  • Dont forget to include your Generals !!!

Include any notes you want here
Remember to leave a line before you copy the above section as a template for your own list

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